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Martin Chesbrough's avatar

"might feed"? I'm pretty certain most of what you describe is already happening.

I have read and listened to Yanis on techno-feudalism for a while and his arguments are persuasive. I think the next 4 years in the US will show how far the tech overlords can go with dismantling protective legislation.

Mostly this just hurts my brain to think about it. Democracy is at a crossroads.

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Kendra Vant's avatar

I agree Martin, we've had this type of data hoovering around for a long time. With fleet renewal being a fairly slow process and with EV adoption picking up, I do think the next couple of years might take us through a tipping point though.

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Martin Chesbrough's avatar

Also interesting is that Tesla sales are dropping while Chinese EV sales are growing - what does that do for our tech overlords?

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Kendra Vant's avatar

More tariffs on the way? B-)

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Andrew E Scott's avatar

And yet we carry around personal connected devices that can capture basically the same set of information. Is it better or worse that a car brand is collecting it than a phone brand? In any case, people should be informed and be able to turn it all off.

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Kendra Vant's avatar

It's an interesting point Andrew. Hopefully I'm not naive to think that we have the ability to turn off quite a bit of the location tracking on our phones. That's the biggest concern I have with connected cars. As Katharine describes, the long, opaque and fragmented privacy policies don't fill me with confidence.

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Andrew E Scott's avatar

There's an interesting article at https://timsh.org/tracking-myself-down-through-in-app-ads/ that shows how location tracking happens even when privacy features are enabled in smartphones.

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Sean Kain's avatar

Very related article in my feeds this week. Jeep showing ads every time the car stops.

https://techweez.com/2025/02/11/jeep-owners-express-outrage-over-full-screen-ads-at-every-stop/

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Kendra Vant's avatar

Good grief! If I saw an ad in my own car I'd be creating a new form of road rage. Thanks for the share Sean.

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Andrew E Scott's avatar

While there are shades of a dystopian future there, it seems that this was a glitch. It's a real message pop up (I suspect similar to ones suggesting you find a petrol station, or reminding you of an upcoming service) but wasn't meant to keep appearing. https://www.theautopian.com/jeep-says-the-repeated-full-screen-pop-up-ads-are-a-glitch-and-not-just-a-nightmare/

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